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From Nikos

From Amphidromic (Alistair)

You have evidently cruised the Cyclades. We are bareboating there next month and would appreciate your advice... any advice - but specifically: We're picking up the yacht in Poros. We have it for two weeks. The first week will be just my wife and I, but then we will pick up our son and his partner. My wife and I have sailed the Peleponese before so our plan is to sail in the Cyclades in the first week, but then the Peleponese in the second week.

Our thought is that the winds are stronger in the Cyclades, which we will enjoy, and then have a quieter week the second week - particularly for our son's partner who has not sailed before.

We prefer quiet (but comfortable) anchorages to busy quaysides.

Questions: Does that sound reasonable to you? Kea is quite a long sail from Poros. Is it reasonable in a day (and back at the end of the week)? According to the wiki, Kea and surrounds can be busy with yachts from Athens at weekends. Is this still true in September? Any other advice?

Thanks!

From Athene of Lymington

Thanks for all the tidying up you're doing on the Croatia pages. I must admit I tend to simply copy and paste a previous port or island page when creating a new one, inserting new content, photos and sometimes headings for the new page. Unfortunately, this can result in perpetuating inadvertent format changes, thus creating more work. Perhaps when you've progressed a bit in checking all my Croatia pages (there's quite a few to go!) you could select an island, port and marina page that you consider 'model' examples and I will use them in future as templates. It makes life easier than starting from scratch with blank templates. Best wishes. GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Hi Vasilis

Thanks for spotting the missing 'N' - I've found one more and corrected it. Also for tweaking the marina pages - again, it's one of the problems with copying and pasting pages; although it saves time, any mistakes in one page get replicated indefinitely until they're detected. I'll ensure I use one of the corrected pages as a template if I do another port or marina page.

Best wishes.

GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Preveza is certainly very comprehensive as a potential template, but that's what worries me a little - it might tend to put potential editors off if they thought that level of content was expected. My immediate inclination is to identify a combination of Country/Island/Port/Marina pages that all link together and - after appropriate polishing by both of us - could act as guide templates. An example (only because that's what I've been working on recently) might be Croatia - Hvar Island - Hvar Town - Marina Vrboska. There are also Google maps of all the anchorages to link to on the island page and a separate page on the nearby Pakleni Islands, so it's probably the most comprehensive 'set' that I've done. What do you think?

Best wishes.

GORDON

PS Thanks for the compliment on the Preveza 'Useful Contacts' section, but I have to confess it wasn't me. Most of them were inserted by LifePart2, a Canadian liveaboard, to whom your encomion should be directed!

From Athene of Lymington

Following the above message, I've looked again at Croatia and the only thing I'm not very happy with is the tables. They take up a lot of space and therefore need a lot of scrolling down to view them all. I don't know if you can suggest a neater way of listing all the links across the page or some way of adjusting the tables so that they take up less space?

Best wishes.

GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Me again! Regarding tables, I was really referring to the table of islands and ports on the Croatia page, not the TOC, which I agree is very useful. I just wondered if there was a better way of displaying all the islands and ports links on the country page which looked neater and took up less space.

I understand your feelings on the Google Maps - I personally don't have a problem with them (using the Google Chrome browser) and the reason I insert them is that I find it very useful if you want to pan or zoom into a harbour or anchorage. They'd be even more useful if you could also link to Google Earth within the maps, but I guess the Panoramio link performs that function at the moment. Anyway, I'm open to suggestions if you have a better notion.

Best wishes.

GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Hi Vasilis.

I suggest that we introduce a new symbol to distinguish harbours from marinas. Take a look at the Italy page under 'Offshore Islands' and you'll see what I mean. I think it would be very useful to be able to differentiate harbours (e.g. alongside or stern-to a quay or even on pontoons) from properly organised marinas. It would be equally useful to identify harbours where you have both options - or even all three options if you include anchoring. Do you think this symbol is the best from the ones available or is there a better one lying around on the server?

Best wishes.

GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Just for the record, I'm going to use the new symbol for harbours where you have to go alongside a quay, go stern or bows-to using the anchor or even when there may be pontoons (as in Italy) but they're all run by different concessions. In other words, only properly organised marinas with one central management and all the expected marina facilities (including telephone, email, sanitary facilities etc and hopefully a website) will get the marina symbol.

Best wishes.

GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Thanks for your latest points on layout. I have no problems with any of them, although I find that galleries with a maximum width of 185px do seem to fit, even with four pics. I accept that a row of three allows bigger pics, however, so let's stick with that in future. Can we agree a couple of other points? I've been inserting TOC just before the start of the text on a page, so that it appears top left on the saved page, whereas you've been moving it - at least on the marina pages - down so that it displaces the 'Marina radio contact' heading. Can we agree a format for consistency? Also, I've been deleting the 'Overview' heading wherever I see it (I think that was a Haiqu introduction), as it's unnecessary and detracts from the text which follows. Maybe it's a personal thing, but I've always loathed redundant headings such as 'Overview', 'Background', 'Description', 'Summary' etc which smack of second grade school essays. Finally, I don't know if you've noticed, but when you move the main pic on a page into the infobox it loses the caption, which is a shame since I always explain the direction from which the pic was taken so that the orientation of the harbour is clear.

Best wishes.

GORDON

From Del

Hi, Can you answer my question on Talk:List_of_Countries_A_to_Z about where to find the template to add a new country?

From Athene of Lymington

Re your latest query on my talk page, I don't have very strong feelings, but I tend to lean towards the Rethimno layout, if only because it results in the photos starting immediately below the infobox, which is handy when there are quite a few on the page as it reduces the chance of them 'overlapping' at the bottom.

GORDON

From Athene of Lymington

Thanks for spotting the heading error on the Portugal page. I'm going to do separate entries for all the marinas next.

I see you've been extending the reach of the Wiki to the more exotic margins of the Black Sea. Let's hope someone takes up the challenge of the Romania and Bulgaria entries before one of us has to buy the charts and pilot books and busk it!

Best wishes.

GORDON

Transportation

Sorry about that. Again, I copied from another page rather than using the template. I'll change them all back when I return from this trip (a freezing London).

GORDON

Kefalonia

I've moved a lot of the information on the Kefalonia island page to a separate 'Kefalonia history' page as it was getting excessively long once I put in the essential cruising information. Do you have any objections to that?

Best wishes.

GORDON

Date of last visit

I see that makes sense - I'll adopt it in future. The Ionian is just starting to improve; we've had English weather for almost a month now and I even had long trousers and an undershirt on last week. We don't get the strong winds of the Aegean, but I wish we had a bit more of the hot weather.

Best wishes.

GORDON

Cleopatra Marina

Yes, it now does have wifi, after a spell without it, although they now charge (grrrrrr...). I took 'Internet' to refer to a cabled terminal for clients' use in e.g. the marina office, as opposed to wifi, which is obviously available to anyone with the necessary code. At Kusadasi we had both, so maybe that's where I got the assumption from. Do you think it's worth preserving the distinction or, if not, do you know why it was introduced in the first place?

GORDON

Internet/wifi

I'd suggest we retain both - if only because that involves the minimum number of re-edits for consistency. Perhaps our (retrospective!) logic should be that a 'yes' for Internet means that the marina is on the internet (there are still a very few smaller ones that aren't) and a 'yes' for wifi means that they make it available to their clients.

Does that make sense to you?

GORDON

Hi, How are You? Thanks a lot for your comments. I am waiting to have some spare time to start with the pictures of the marinas. I have to learnt first how to do it. I shall ask You if I have any doubt. Thanks again, regards, Agustin.

From Delatbabel

Can you please link the two new pages I created to the Wiki Contents page.

See the Talk page for World_Cruising_Guides

Thanx,

Del

Please identify yourself....

when adding comments to users talk pages.

In general I'm happy to undo changes I've made, please ask. However I'd much rather debate those changes than have them unilaterally removed. I'm willing to give this medium a go because its 'open source' and can have a rolling series of contributors thus, hopefully, longevity.

I think a serious fault with this wiki is that the navigation is poor, cant easily see a way around that given the medium though. I also find there is far too much extraneous material left around in pages, it just gets tedious wading through it. Commenting out sections leaves the structure in place for enthusiastic contributors to add things in when the detail is available without distracting the casual reader.

Thanks ... RobbieW

Greece arrival procedures & customs/immigration

I've just been trying to advise friends on official entry procedures to Greece and it made me realise that the information on the Wiki Greece page is very confusing and possibly out of date. It's difficult to distinguish the entry and other requirements for EU, non-EU and Greek-owned boats and maybe it needs to be restructured into these three separate sections.

You are obviously much more familiar with this subject than I am, but do you have time to do it?

GORDON
Athene of Lymington

Berthing Options -- Australia / New Zealand

Berthing options in Australia & New Zealand differ a lot from what's available in the mediterranean. There are almost no stern-to or bow-to berths, the general situation is that you berth alongside except in extremely rare circumstances (the occasional boat tying up to the side of the wharf at Watson's Bay is the only one I have ever encountered in this region).

Pile berths, where you berth either stern to or bow to a dock between two piles and tie up to the piles, are rare but occasionally found. There are a very small number of places (one I can think of) where you tie up between two piles and dinghy to shore.

The main differences are whether the dock is floating or fixed.

So in the cases where you've put in a green text comment "Do most boats moor side-to, stern-to, or bow-to?" I will cover that by a blanket statement in the country page that all berthing is side-to unless there is a statement in the locality page to say otherwise. I'll inlude some notes as to whether the dock is floating or fixed where I have those details.

Delatbabel 13:31, 3 September 2013 (BST)

Navigation Bar etc.

Robbie, Isti, all, I have started a topic for this here in the forums. Let's talk about it there because I remember having a similar discussion with Isti about the topic a while ago and it would be good to have everyone'e opinions rather than just the 1 on 1 that talk pages tend to be. Delatbabel 13:55, 3 September 2013 (BST)

http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/f41/layout-and-navigation-7944.html

Oceania

Me again.  :)

I think we should amalgamate the Oceania and South Pacific pages. What do you think? Delatbabel 13:59, 3 September 2013 (BST)

Done -- Delatbabel 01:37, 9 September 2013 (BST)

Newcastle

Yes, please create that static map. Do you always use google earth? I haven't used that much myself, there's nothing I have ever needed it for that I haven't been able to get out of google maps. Some instructions on how to create it would be useful. Delatbabel 01:37, 9 September 2013 (BST)

Oops

I think you've confused two similarly named places on your map.

Lake Macquarie is a shallow coastal estuary that lies just to the south of Newcastle (in fact the northern shores of the Lake Macquarie system border on the Newcastle city area).

Port Macquarie is a coastal city to the north of Newcastle, about half way between Port Stephens and Coffs Harbour.

Governor Lachlan Macquarie was an important figure in the early settlement of New South Wales and Australia, overseeing the commercial expansion of Sydney, the New South Wales colony, establishment of permanent pastoral leases, expansion of the coastal trade, etc. Both places and many other in this region are named after him, hence the confusion.

Delatbabel 01:03, 11 September 2013 (BST)


Greetings

Hello there! Nemanja is my name. I come from Belgrade Serbia.

I'm no sailor yet, but i can give you a lot of general info about MNE, just returned from there a month ago. I visit it almost every year. Also i have some friends and family that live, or used to live in coastal towns in MNE. I will update my user page soon enough. Hope my info can be useful. Cheeres N.

zangef

Imagemaps

Hi,

I've been following your instructions and the only bit I can't seem to do is this:

2. Mark a distance on nM (outside the area of interest)

How do you get google maps to draw its legend in nM? I can only seem to bring up the standard one that has mi (standard land miles) at the top and km at the bottom.

Delatbabel 11:18, 10 October 2013 (BST)

Sorry I did not reply sooner but I was travelling. The short answer is that you cannot do this with Google Map. What I do is this:

  1. Use Google Earth to find the area of interest
    1. Crop it with GE
    2. Use GE's scale to measure a distance in nM
    3. Download the image as a .jpg
  2. I then use a image editing program (like Photoshop) to annotate it and draw a scale
  3. Finally I upload the file to the wiki

Regards --Istioploos 14:12, 31 October 2013 (GMT)

Ermioni

Hello,

I have gone through the list you wrote after may December edit of Ermioni. I hope I have been able to correct the mistakes you pointed out. I belive many of them were due to that I was using the Rich editor and not "wiki language".

My wife and I will be back in Greece for a 4 week sail from may 31th this year, we will be sailing from Athens through Cyclades and to Dodecanese and back to Athens. I hope to contribute more to cruisers wiki which is a really good resource when we are back again or underway.

If you would like to se some of our previous and planing for our next trip, you are welcome to visit our web site http://viseiler.com. It's in norwegian, but its an option to let google translate it to English or Greek(though it get a bit messed up when you select Greek language)

Happy New Year.

--Maelms 19:28, 2 January 2014 (GMT)

All your edits on Ermioni‎ are now fine. I just made some minor cosmetic changes and fixed a problem with your signature. I also took the opportunity to add your website. Please take a look

I looked at it and it does look very interesting although, not knowing Norwegian, I cannot read it.

I too am planing to be cruising in the Dodecanese is mid May. Maybe we can meet.

Happy New Year and Καλά Πανιά (good sails) as we say in Greece. --Istioploos 22:39, 3 January 2014 (GMT)

Re: Galleries

I Understand, That is a good idea, I will do the same for the future. Thanks for the advice.

--Maelms 20:23, 11 January 2014 (GMT)

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