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Have good day Vasilis
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== Editing notes ==
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# The use of the new harbor symbol you propose is fine. I will start using it also
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# My editing convention on "Contributors" is: I always include the member who started the page. After that I include only members who have contributed actual new content (not cosmetics, rearranging etc.)
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# On lists I do not add a period after each list item. I only use periods at the end of sentences
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# After the period at the end of the sentence, following web standard practice, I use a single space and NOT 2 spaces (a carryover from the typewriter days)
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Please bring to my attention any desirable or undesirable practices so that we can be consistent.
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Vasilis

Revision as of 19:20, 21 January 2013

Welcome to CruiserlogWiki! We hope you will contribute much and well. You will probably want to read the help pages. Again, welcome and have fun! Lighthouse 22:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Contents

Italy Contributions

Great work on the Italy section Gordon.

Please check coords for Marina del Fezzano

Lighthouse 20:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Porto Turistico di Roma (Ostia)‎‎

New page "Porto Turistico di Roma (Ostia)"‎‎ - where does this link back to (in navbar)? I can find "Porto Turistico di Roma" on the "Fiumara Grande" - without "(Ostia)". Or, must the links on the "Fiumara Grande" page be changed to include "(Ostia)"? Lighthouse 07:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)‎‎

Policastro, Italy

http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Policastro

Please check the coords.

Taranto

http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Taranto

Please check coords.

New pages

Hi Gordon. Please check the "Navbar" links at the bottom of NEW pages. Copy the navbar code from the "mother" page and add the new page link at the end of the navbar. Otherwise, the NEW page just sort of floats in space, LOL. Lighthouse 09:21, 5 May 2011 (BST)

Marmara Islands

Hi Gordon. I can see why you changed several port titles on this page. Your changes did add clarity but they played havoc in the links within the page and from other pages. Please if you make title pages in the future investigate all the pages that link to that title and change them as well. I know that this is a lot of work.

Happy New Year Istioploos 11:40, 30 December 2011 (EST)

External Links

Gordon a vandal made a massive edit changing "External Links" as it has always been and is in out templates to "External links" which may cause some broken links. I am reverting the damage. Please do keep an I also. Istioploos

Dugi Otok

Happy New Year Gordon. Great work in Croatia but here you cannot have headers that include a number. Headers are linkable items. No one will link to something "3. U. Krusevica" but may link om "U. Krusevica".

On non-linkable items (non headers) it does not matter. The reason, however, for using headers for anchorages etc. is because they are linkable. This allows for future expansion.

Croatia

Gordon, you are doing a fantastic job on Croatia. If only we had few more wiki contributors like you…

I have been for years trying to convince other cruisers that sharing their experiences is a way of helping each other of the cruising community. I kept notes, first in an old fashioned notebook, and then on the laptop of all the harbors and anchorages that I had visited. Later I put these on DVDs and gave them away with the hope that other people would add their own observations. Very few did so. Then along came Bob (Lighthouse) with his wiki. He convinced to add my notes there.

It was a monumental task that took over a year. Along the way I made many mistakes but Bob gently guided me. By that time his wife, who wrote about their cruising, was very sick and they had stopped cruising. Bob kept on researching places, created new pages, and added some material to the wiki. Then his wife passed away and slowly he phased out. I kept hopping that others will step in and fill his big shoes. I also hoped that more active cruisers, like you, will become more active. Now we do have some, many thanks to you and your encouragement.

It is good to keep up with new wiki additions and to edit each other's contributions as to form (looks and feel) and usability. Maybe my long software development background makes me over sensitive to these issues. But I mostly consider these as minor improvements. Adding new content, as you do, is the most important.

Please keep going.

Vasilis

January 3 edits in Croatia

Gordon

In many of your edits on January 3, 2013 there is a type. The "N" on the coord. is missing i.e. in Dubrovnik there is 42°38.5′18, 07.8°E′ instead of 42°38.5′N, 18°07.8′E.

I have corrected many of these but it would be good if you take another look in case I have overlooked some.

Vasilis

Preveza

Gordon,

I think that Preveza is a model Port page. I made some minor changes to 1. improve the layout (I was getting some print over the first picture) and 2. changed the depth of some headers to conform with the latest template. Please take a look. If we like it then we can use this page a s a model/template.

I really like the new section "Useful Contacts". Bravo!

Vasilis

Tables

Gordon,

This is indeed a problem. In software as in engineering in general everything is a trade-of and a compromise. In the wiki we have 2 tables: TOC and the Info table. I take it you are referring tot he TOC.

The TOC is very useful for 2 reasons:

  1. For the user who wants to look up a specific say port or anchorage. Instead of of scanning the whole page he/she just clicks on the TOC.
  2. The other is either a wiki editor or a user who wants to refer to particular entry in another wiki page or in another website. That is he/she wants a link.

The Wikimedia engine , in an effort to address the real-estate problem allows us to turn off/on the the display of the TOC. This done at the individual user's preferences. Lighthouse experimented by having the TOC off by default but I finally talked in restoring the default to on. At that time we came up with the {{TOCleft}} compromise that allows us to at least have some control where the TOC is displayed in a page. My personal opinion is that the benefits outweigh the penalty.

The other table, the Info table does get bigger and occupies more real estate when we include pictures and/or maps. From an esthetic point I think ti does look better if we do include at least one these in the Info table rather then having then as an "image" further down. As you have seen if we use 350px within the table and 345px for the rest of the images they line up to the right very nicely.

The other problem I have is with the on-line Google maps. I, as I have said to you before object to them for 2 reasons:

  1. Many users, maybe now less then before, do not have Internet access while cruising and store static static versions of wiki pages on their computer to be viewed off-line. But, these do not show the on-line Google maps at exactly when a map of a place is the most useful to the cruiser.
  2. In my computer at least (Mac) that allows window scrolling form the mouse these have an interface problem. If while scrolling through a wiki page the mouse cursor happens to be on the map instead of scrolling the page the map gets scrolled and it is no longer showing the intended location on the map but it shows something far-far away. To get back one has to reload the page. Please try and see if this or anything like it happens with your computer.

Have a nice weekend Vasilis

Tables etc.

Me again! Regarding tables, I was really referring to the table of islands and ports on the Croatia page, not the TOC, which I agree is very useful. I just wondered if there was a better way of displaying all the islands and ports links on the country page which looked neater and took up less space.

Sorry I misunderstood. I looked in Croatia and I see what you mean. I do not see that the use anything other then table will keep the long list of ports and islands more compact. The only thing I can think of is to combine the regions in one large (or at any rate fewer) tables with a column for each region. Take a look at Turkey. There the listings within each column are alphabetical. Now is we want to go this way for Croatia we will have to combine the mainland ports and the islands. But we may introduce a new icon-symbol to designate the islands. What do you think?

I understand your feelings on the Google Maps - I personally don't have a problem with them (using the Google Chrome browser) and the reason I insert them is that I find it very useful if you want to pan or zoom into a harbour or anchorage. They'd be even more useful if you could also link to Google Earth within the maps, but I guess the Panoramio link performs that function at the moment. Anyway, I'm open to suggestions if you have a better notion.

I download Chrome and I still have the same problem. I have two different mice. The older one had a scrolling wheel, and the other is like a touch-pad. On my MacBook there is a built-in touch pad. All these devices exhibit the same very annoying behaviour with when using the touch pad while the cursor is inadvertently on a Google Map wiki insert. Any, event the most imperceptible finger movement causes the map to zoom either in or out to nowhere. Getting it back need a reload of the page. I have now tried this with Chrome, Safari, Firefox, and Opera. All do the same thing. Its behaviour on an iPhone and an iPad is also bad. There you zoom and scroll a page by finger gestures. All is well until your finger strays on the inset. Again you can very easily loose the map and only a re-load restores it. Given the large number of people with Apple devices this behaviour is unacceptable. The least we can do is to give a warning to our users.

Regards Vasilis

Recurring problems

Gordon

Maybe because of the inevitable cut & paste the following problems crop up in your recently edited pages:

  1. Gallery captions - this is used ONLY if you actually provide a caption. If you do not please delete it
  2. Gallery perrow - 4 pictures in a row are too wide for most screens. Please never use more then 3. Use 2 for four pictures because if you use 3 it does not look good
  3. Last Visited & Details Checked - this section should be a level4 (====) subsection of Personal Notes
  4. Links within a page - use the # construct i.e. to refer to Marinas & Yacht Clubs use [[#Marinas & Yacht Clubs]]
  5. See below - this is overused, please do use a link within the page. Also do not use it when linking to another page
  6. GPS in Marinas - please remove i.e. change GPS: 41°55.53′N, 15°53.2′E to just 41°55.53′N, 15°53.2′E
  7. Email add in Marinas - please remove the "add" i.e. change in "Email add" to just "Email". Also add "Email" within the link i.e. change [mailto:[email protected]] to [mailto:[email protected] Email]
  8. Web reference in Marinas - add "Website" to the link i.e. change [http://www.marinadirodigarganico.it/eng/] to [http://www.marinadirodigarganico.it/eng/ Website]

Regards Vasilis

Harbor Symbol

The symbol in Italy looks good, and I like that it is a different color.

In the past, we left ports/harbors without a symbol and added the marina symbol when there was an organized marina, sometimes within the old harbor. I see not harm or problem if we begin using the new symbol.

At this time I am going over "Recent Changes" including your myriad entries. After that I will go back to the Aegean and add some new materia plus modernize its entries along the lines we came up with in Croatia.

Have good day Vasilis

Editing notes

  1. The use of the new harbor symbol you propose is fine. I will start using it also
  2. My editing convention on "Contributors" is: I always include the member who started the page. After that I include only members who have contributed actual new content (not cosmetics, rearranging etc.)
  3. On lists I do not add a period after each list item. I only use periods at the end of sentences
  4. After the period at the end of the sentence, following web standard practice, I use a single space and NOT 2 spaces (a carryover from the typewriter days)

Please bring to my attention any desirable or undesirable practices so that we can be consistent.

Vasilis

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