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ADMIN'S TALK PAGE.

Contributors and navigation bars in table form

I have tested a bot for these to re-implement them in a template form. If there are no objections I'll proceed with conversion --Vadim 11:56, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

Are these templates different from what we have been installing recently? If these are different can we see an example of them?--Istioploos 13:34, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

The templates are the same. See, for example, Evros Lakki Marina for changes --Vadim 13:54, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

I did see them yesterday. They are very good. No objections from me. --Istioploos 15:26, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

As there are no any other comments, I'm launching the bot --Vadim 13:53, 10 March 2016 (GMT)

Your Assistance Template

This is a good change and removes the unsightly addition to the TOC. Bravo! --Istioploos 13:41, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

You're welcome! --Vadim 13:56, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

Suggested templates

I've took liberty to move this section to Talk:World_Cruising_and_Sailing_Wiki#Suggested_tem as it closely follows previous sections there --Vadim 17:40, 11 March 2016 (GMT)

Canal icon in "Dest"

Vadim, I uploaded . I tried to add this in {{Dest legend}} but it was too complicated and I gave up. If you can take a look, and if you do not mind, it may be educational for me to see how to do it. --Istioploos 14:51, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

Done --Vadim 15:45, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

Yes, I see it and also saw how you did it. I was afraid to do it not been clear on the interaction of the 3 templates. Thank you. By the way, I modified the icon to make it more centered. I upload the modified version but as with many images it does not show right away. --Istioploos 18:05, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

POIs

Vadim, I tried to "modernize" a passage page and I realized that the existing {{poi}} templates do not meet all needs. Specifically:

• regular Poi s are h4 but there are several places that one need h5 with smaller letters (otherwise having the same parameters & behavior)
• inline Poi s need to be expanded to a type that shows the coords and when clicked goes to the chartlet that is similar to normal poi s but inline. These are in all passage pages
• it would be nice if in addition to anchorages & berths we had a harbor poi category.

Could we do these expansions? --Istioploos 23:33, 9 March 2016 (GMT)

I found Poi5 that I had made some time ago. I modified it to be similar to Poi. I am sure that it can be improved. Also I it can be used inline with the "inline" parameter. For this usage please see Aegean to West Mediterranean Passages. --Istioploos 13:53, 11 March 2016 (GMT)

Vasilis, there is already Template:Mark was introduced with a new version of Template:Poi. I've amended Aegean to West Mediterranean Passages to employ them there.

I was not aware of "Mark", it looks good, very handy for Passages.

No problem with harbor poi category. Do you have a sample page for it and an icon?

How about the ?

I'd say it's acceptable. By the way how is about using INT-1 icons? --Vadim 12:20, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Vasilis, for 2 types you've added to POIs you'd need also to find some icons for a chartlet. They are different from ones at a page. I used brown icons there because otherwise they are completely lost among Navionics charts markup. You may also want to have a look at other map icons at Wikimedia --Vadim 18:27, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

I am somewhat confused. Do we need 2 sets of icons: one for regular wiki pages and the other for display on chartlet? If so, we could make existing page icons brown for chartlet. How many do we need? --Istioploos 19:12, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Yes, Navionics chart is too colored, so colorful icons which displayed at an article would be lost there (you may notice they use marina symbol for every anchorage). I found these brown ones are still quite recognisable if they put above a Navionis chart. Are you able to suggest any other options? --Vadim 09:50, 14 March 2016 (GMT)

There is also Template:Geo which was designed a geographical position only, without almost any other visual effect at a page, but it creates a marker at a chartlet.

I tried to use but it gives me an error "Template:Listing". Tried including a listing parameter but no joy. Will this put a mark on the chartlet? Is it invisible in the page where it is included?

It needs to be fixed --Vadim 20:58, 11 March 2016 (GMT)

By the way, wouldn't you mind if I move this section to User talk:Admin? --Vadim 17:49, 11 March 2016 (GMT)

Certainly I do not mind. This is your page. --Istioploos 20:46, 11 March 2016 (GMT)

The changes (poi3 -> poi) in Anchorages of Chios Island have garbled the TOC. For instance Avloniá is displayed as being part of Elyndas which is definitely not the case. We need someway or another to control the heading level of a Poi as we do with headers (h3, h4, h5).--Istioploos 14:20, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

This is because infoboxes were used there instead of POIs. Have a look Anchorages of Chios Island --Vadim 15:30, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Also at Anchorages of Chios Island#Angelia, Salagonas, Trachilia, & Kato Faná section Template:coord is replaced with Template:mark with altname parameter --Vadim 17:04, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

I am looking at Vadim's new changes in Anchorages of Chios Island. First impression is good but there new problems now. I used before the inboxes to provide image, coords, chartlet, and panoramio. The poi replacement looses the last and creates a new problem. The chartlet now do not zoom properly. The "mapzoom" parameter from infobox has to be changes to "zoom". Maybe it was our mistake to have "mapzoom" in some templates and "zoom" in others.

Another problem introduce by these changes is readability. New lines (NL) within the Poi text are suppressed. This is a "new feature".

On the good side the "alt name" parameters is a good addition. --Istioploos 19:12, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Waypoints

Is there a way for "Mark" to operate without the name parameter? Often one just wants an anonymous waypoint. --Istioploos 18:28, 12 March 2016 (GMT)

I think it could be done with Template:Geo, which I stil need to fix. Do you have a sample of such a waypoint? --Vadim 12:15, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

No, Template:Geo does not do what I want in Passage pages. Need the Template:Mark or an equivalent with the visual mark and display of coordinates but without a name. --Istioploos 12:52, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

As discussed Template:Mark is an inline version of Template:Poi with a name. Template:Geo will be altered to not display a name, but I feel strongly that any pir of coordinates needs some kind of ID --Vadim 13:13, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

I agree with you for most cases but on a passage there can be waypoints in the middle of the water that have no name. Yet, the showing of the coordinates there is very important. --Istioploos 14:08, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Changes to templates

It would be quite reasonable to coordinate changes to templates otherwise it will become unmanageable mess --Vadim 13:09, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Yes, you are right. Are you willing to be the coordinator on this? That is if one of us wants to make a change on a template to check with you first? --Istioploos 14:10, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

Let's try to discuss these things first at this page, like we already done for some other templates --Vadim 18:22, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

POI types

Having Template:Poi harbour type introduced by Istioploos I realised that I didn't explain my choise of types in the design I implemented in this template. This especially concerns type berth. Here I've tried to follow INT 1 categories of IHO standard S-4 as expalined at OpenStreetMap wiki. In this sence marina symbol includes any berth with facilities including ones at harbours -- to avid confusion instead of marina I used berth for POI type in this case.

Harbour is an upper category in the hierarchy, which may include a number of berthing options (like it happens, for example, in Italy). So in this sence harbour type should be used only when a POI describes a location with multiple berthing options, like a port.

In some place it's quite difficult to distinguish between a marina proper and a berth at a harboour, hence was my choise --Vadim 19:08, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

In my mind at least there is a distinction between "harbor" or "port" and "marina". A harbor is an enclosed port providing shelter from the waves. It may or may not house a marina. Many harbors have no more facilities than a quay. Some have moorings, some do not and you have to anchor. Some municipal harbors are operated bare bone marinas.

A marina on the other hand is organized, has personal, and has many facilities such as WC, fuel, water, electricity, a yard, stores etc it is also expensive. Many marinas also provide some security. In our wiki we often have different pages for ports and marinas.

I do not care whether we call them "harbour" or "berths". But we already have a split between POIs and Dest. --Istioploos 19:29, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

More on POIs

The use of POIs instead of "===" (headers) removes localized "Edit" buttons and you have to edit the whole page rather then a section. This will make editing much harder for new members.

They also scrabble newlines (NL) in their "text". I suspect this happens when there are {{mark}} with the text i.e. "Poi | text = .... {{mark| ...}} ..."

--Istioploos 20:03, 13 March 2016 (GMT)

This dreaded issue with newlines was fixed eventually. Thanks for pointing it out. In return I'm offering a different layout for Anchorages of Chios Island#Angelia, Salagonas, Trachilia, & Kato Faná. I hope you'll enjoy it --Vadim 17:16, 14 March 2016 (GMT)

The Anchorages of Chios Island page now looks very good. Still the lack of "Edit" buttons is a problem. Let us think some more about this page before we implement similar changes to others. --Istioploos 18:21, 14 March 2016 (GMT)

Galleries

Once we are here. at the Anchorages of Chios Island. The 2 column galleries did no look there quite smooth. Have a look at my version of "emulated gallery" which has a variable width which follows a screen size --Vadim 19:45, 14 March 2016 (GMT)

I personally prefer the old version of galleries because they allow more control. For example with 4 images one can freeze them in 2 X 2 display (2 /row). The flexible one can change to an ugly 3 top and 1 bottom. --Istioploos 11:54, 15 March 2016 (GMT)

For me 2x2 arrangement looks ugly on a wide screen. It's almost like 1 column of image at the centre of a page. That's why I've suggested an alternative -- we need to think how other readers use this wiki --Vadim 12:49, 15 March 2016 (GMT)

As we say in Greece "You cannot account for everyone tastes". I will go with the consensus (if anyone else bothers). If not, I will leave to to the taste of page's main contributor. --Istioploos 13:26, 15 March 2016 (GMT)

In pages that I have added galleries I used the following rules:

1. no more then 3/row (i.e. either 2X2 or 3X3)
2. if there the last image is all by itself, I use a separate gallery so that it is centered under the others above it. --Istioploos 13:26, 15 March 2016 (GMT)

Can I tip in here? I favour a gallery width that fits to the page width, otherwise it looks very odd. I've spent quite a bit of time changing image sizes manually to get them to fit the page width and it would be great is this were automated. However, if it is not to look daft, a gallery should, I suggest, be at least three photos per row - otherwise the photos look better down the r/h side, as on most standard pages. I actually think that the Anchorages of Chios Island page looks a mess in layout terms. Sorry, but that's the result of 25 years in marketing and public relations. --Athene of Lymington 15:04, 15 March 2016 (GMT)

Brown Icons

Yes, Navionics chart is too colored, so colorful icons which displayed at an article would be lost there (you may notice they use marina symbol for every anchorage). I found these brown ones are still quite recognisable if they put above a Navionis chart. Are you able to suggest any other options? --Vadim 09:50, 14 March 2016 (GMT)

Vadim, Let me know which icons from the existing ones in CruisersWiki that you want to use in the Navionics charts and I will make brown copies of them. --Istioploos 12:58, 14 March 2016 (GMT)